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Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
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Posted - 2014.07.12 12:44:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Mittani: Greifers drive away new players
This is not what the article says. Read it again. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
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Posted - 2014.07.13 00:03:00 -
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Mittens and Feyd appear to both be thinking in parallel to something that I've seen brought up before and was well received - we don't need or want any more nerfs to high sec, instead we want to prepare new players better for the challenge they are going to face. It's not about getting rid of or nerfing the griefers, or buffing the shinies that new people want to jump into the very second they log in, it's about 'buffing' their understanding of what they've just logged into.
At the moment, CCP are advertising this game as an orange (metaphor for "come and join the biggest space battles in MMO history!!!"), but players are surprised when they bite into a grapefruit (metaphor for "oh ****, I'm losing everything and this is only my second day, how is this possible!?"). Those of you who think 'griefing' is the problem, or that's what Mittens and Feyd are talking about, are addressing only a symptom of the real problem.
That's assuming it is one, though. There's still the not-at-all minor factoid that there are hundreds of thousands of us that got through that stage just fine. I did it without even really meeting anyone for most of my first year in the game, and stuck around because I enjoyed the game proper just enough to overwhelm any 'qq' feelings. And so too will anyone that enjoys the game in this manner.
So now we're back to intended/likely audience, which is people like those that have stuck around beyond the NPE. I'm divided on this - on one hand, Mittens and Feyd are right about needing new tutorials. On the other, they're wrong about the extent those tutorials need to take - even with a full-on "this is EVE" tutorial like the ones they both suggest, there will still be plenty of people quitting the game within their trial period, and then many more that may sub and leave later. These players are the ones that were always going to leave, no matter what you do, because they are not the game's intended audience. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
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Posted - 2014.07.13 01:38:00 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote:It appears the Goons are the games biggest carebears with their glorious leader suggesting the exact opposite of everything most EVE players want, a safe little nerf padded playground for new players filled with rainbows and sunshine. I am beginning to suspect Goonswarm set sail for nullsec to merely create their own little cute carebear space for all to feel safe in and really aren't for the dangerous EVE CCP intended at all.
This clearly shows the Goons for what they really are.
Do you even know what TM is suggesting or is the title of this thread the extent of your source material behind this comment? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
People complain about how 'empty' space is. Personally, I would be complaining if it were more 'full'.
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Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
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Posted - 2014.07.14 09:58:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:The game mechanics have not been skewed to suit my play style.
Nor have they been skewed to fit any play style, some people are just better at adapting their play style to the mechanics in order to take best advantage of them. Those players are called "people who know what they're doing". You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
People complain about how 'empty' space is. Personally, I would be complaining if it were more 'full'.
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Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
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Posted - 2014.07.14 10:21:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Nor have [game mechanics] been skewed to fit any play style, some people are just better at adapting their play style to the mechanics in order to take best advantage of them. Those players are called "people who know what they're doing". I'll tell you like I tell the noobs in the State War Academy channel. "best" <- don't do that.
Is that a point of contention? Because it's not a very good one. And as far as I'm concerned, everyone in your little state war channel is a noob. Choosing an NPC corp makes you an NPC in my book. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
People complain about how 'empty' space is. Personally, I would be complaining if it were more 'full'.
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Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
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Posted - 2014.07.15 07:57:00 -
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Reiisha wrote:
This is true, but only to some extent. You can't deny that growth has been stunted for quite a while now and new player retention is quite low. However, this isn't because of griefing, but because there aren't enough incentives for new players just yet.
What Kaarous said, because yes, without the data, it can indeed be easily denied. Additionally, there is plenty of incentive for new players, as long as those new players are the kind of people that are going to be interested in what EVE is. If they aren't then they were always going to quit anyway regardless of the incentives they get when they're new. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
People complain about how 'empty' space is. Personally, I would be complaining if it were more 'full'.
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Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
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Posted - 2014.07.19 14:09:00 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote:Or perhaps another part of the problem is that those in nullsec have too much power and say regarding how the game is made.
The next expansion largely addresses industry, and the biggest changes are in highsec. Lrn2troll. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
People complain about how 'empty' space is. Personally, I would be complaining if it were more 'full'.
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